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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105543" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105543">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> I think proposed continuing our conversation about minutes here, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105554">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do tend to argee it'd be great to have a "note-taker" assigned ahead of time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105567">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I also feel like...as I said...it's kind of hard to do it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105596" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105596">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I've thought about is having a pool of folks who are game to do that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105603">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>and just assigning them round-robin to the meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105633" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105633">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess this ties in to a more general concept I've been floating of having "roles" within the compiler team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105641">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>which I've never really had time to enumerate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105684">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the idea would be to have some set of people that play the role of "meeting manager(s)" for a term, say 6 months</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209105815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209105815">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>along with other roles, such as mentoring newcomers, or tending PR queue, prioritization, idk .. probably up to and including lead</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209107516" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209107516">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>had a strange idea - what if people could react with a specfic reaction (such as <span aria-label="note" class="emoji emoji-1f4dd" role="img" title="note">:note:</span> ) to important points being discussed and those could be aggregated into a list of notes <span aria-label="grinning" class="emoji emoji-1f600" role="img" title="grinning">:grinning:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108434" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108434">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> have you considered to have as note taker the person that proposed the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108451">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure if there's always someone that proposed the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108476">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>and even if that's a fair thing to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108520" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108520">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>or even if that would make people abstain from even proposing something to avoid note taking <span aria-label="joy" class="emoji emoji-1f602" role="img" title="joy">:joy:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108752">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure/near/209105596">said</a>:</p>
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<p>one thing I've thought about is having a pool of folks who are game to do that</p>
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<p>If this is the approach that's chosen, I just wanted to propose to help, the only issue that I have is that I could be "unreliable" (i.e. I can't really be sure I will be available at a given date to take notes). Maybe I could be part of a bench pool? :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209108929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209108929">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can volunteer as well, just have the same problem as <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="255061">@LeSeulArtichaut</span> and end up missing some of the meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209109330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209109330">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure/near/209108434">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> have you considered to have as note taker the person that proposed the meeting?</p>
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<p><em>From the perspective of someone who's never been part of a design meeting</em>, I'd think that maybe assigning the person that proposed the meeting could make them more busy in the meeting and "hurt" the flow of the meeting because they have to take notes when they could react to the current conversation.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209109414" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209109414">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, but they may not take notes during the meeting, they may just revisit it at the end</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209109501" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209109501">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think taking notes during the meeting works if the person that does that is not the one that is running the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209109625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209109625">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right, going through hundreds of messages is not especially fun but if that's assigned to the person who proposed the design, that seems fair to me; though I think it would probably be more optimal (I mean, less time-consuming overall) to have someone take notes during the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209109813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209109813">(Sep 04 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, trying different things might make sense, I guess. <em>Trial and error!</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/209201674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#209201674">(Sep 06 2020 at 00:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>posit: have that person be _responsible for delegating_ if no other established solution is in place?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753136">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> I have many times tried to find people to take notes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753147">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>the problem is that fequently we don't get anyone volunteering</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753156">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it's not obvious what to do in that situation :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753163" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753163">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think it's a good idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753180" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753180">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>as for emojis, we typically use <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span> to signal "key point"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210753234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210753234">(Sep 21 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I find when creating minutes that just scanning for any emojis is often quite useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210754336" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210754336">(Sep 21 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, we can try to encourage everyone to provide "key points" to make the notes taking simpler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/210754385" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#210754385">(Sep 21 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure/near/210753163">said</a>:</p>
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<p>but I think it's a good idea</p>
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<p>which one in particular?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/211649435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#211649435">(Sep 29 2020 at 16:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's a good idea to line up someone to take minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking%20and%20meeting%20procedure/near/211649439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/note-taking.20and.20meeting.20procedure.html#211649439">(Sep 29 2020 at 16:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've just found it hard in practice</p>



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